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Old May 27th, 2008, 03:49 PM
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Removed parts of The Land for a hang glider simulator.
Are you really fretting over the removal of Kitchen Cabaret/Food Rocks? I think that was a pretty safe sacrifice on their part.

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Back then the only way in was to park ride the monorail or the boat and it was really cool when the Magic Kingdom came into view. Now you can drive right up and they've built roads whith Disney owned hotel over the entire property.
Yeah, there's a lot of roads on property, but from a proportional standpoint, I remember there being just as many back in the early 80's. Remember, back then, the overwhelming majority of guests did not stay on property.

I think to suggest that Walt would somehow be upset with the current state of the parks is a bit of revisionist history on the part of rabid Disney fans. Society has changed a great deal since the 1950's and I don't think Walt would have sat by and let the parks remain nostalgia pieces. I can't find the quote anywhere online, but I've heard a million times that Walt never wanted his parks to become museums.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 05:25 PM
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Are you really fretting over the removal of Kitchen Cabaret/Food Rocks? I think that was a pretty safe sacrifice on their part.
It is not a safe sacrifice. The whole point of The Land is to educate people about farming, irrigation, food, etc. The hang gliding simulation has NOTHING to do the theme of the pavilion. Secondly, there is no excuse for substituting edutainment with cheap thrills in a place supposedly designed to teach, inspire, and enlighten the public.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 05:53 PM
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That show was terrible. And again, the purpose of EPCOT has obviously evolved over time. I have a hard time seeing how people could expect the park to remain as it was in 1982. The park wasn't even true to Walt's exact vision on the day it opened.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 06:40 PM
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Roger Rabbit was released via Disney's Touchstone Division. Touchstone was created so that it could have adult material (not porn) movies but not be confused with the children's/family fare that was generally released under the Disney Banner.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 07:01 PM
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I have a hard time seeing how people could expect the park to remain as it was in 1982. The park wasn't even true to Walt's exact vision on the day it opened.
I agree with you on that point. Indeed, one wonders what would have happened if Walt had stayed around longer. On the other hand, you don't add strippers to a worship service to attract more people to the church. The new additions and subtractions were all done for attracting thrill seekers, ruining the original purpose of the park. It's kind of like removing the Egyptian Exhibit a the Louvre and replacing it with a miniature train ride because of a lack in attendance. Instead of installing a simulator, they could have created a planter's corner where experts can give you advice on planting crops, plants, or flowers. Maybe a film or hands-on exhibit dealing with conservation.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 08:58 PM
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Instead of installing a simulator, they could have created a planter's corner where experts can give you advice on planting crops, plants, or flowers.
They do, its called the "Behind the Seeds" tour.

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Maybe a film or hands-on exhibit dealing with conservation.
They do, its called Circle of Life. Its a 20 minute film that has Simba, Timon and Pumbaa. It combines live footage along with animation and the story is told in simple terms so that all age groups can understand. Plus its a great place for a to take a break and get away from people hardly anyone goes to watch it. And they almost always have some kind of exhibit in Innovations that deals with technology and the environment.

They also have a whole section of a park devoted to conservation, its called the Conservation Station at Animal Kingdom, which in of its self is a park devoted to nature.

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Old May 27th, 2008, 09:16 PM
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When your argument fails, throw in some apples to oranges comparisons. Very nice.

They weren't trying to attract thrillseekers, they were trying to attract guests that purchase tickets and provide income. I know it's a hard fact to admit, but Disney is a for-profit and was even when Walt was at the helm. Somehow people conjure up this idealistic misconception that it somehow wasn't always about money. We can speculate all we want, but to suggest that Walt would not have let the parks evolve to their current state is to assume that he wasn't in it for the money.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 09:18 PM
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I forgot all about the tour. It's been a long time since I've been to WDW. So many other interesting places to visit - The Dakota Badlands, The Grand Tetons, Appalachian Trail . . .
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Old May 27th, 2008, 09:22 PM
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Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world.
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I can't find the quote anywhere online, but I've heard a million times that Walt never wanted his parks to become museums.
Was it the one I quoted perhaps? Some other Walt Disney favorites of mine that may apply to this way off topic thread (While I've heard or read most of these quotes, I did copy them from www.brainyquote.com to get them right)

"I would rather entertain and hope that people learned something than educate people and hope they were entertained."

"We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things, because we're curious and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths. "
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Old May 27th, 2008, 09:25 PM
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I found this online on a Disney tribute site:
"EPCOT... will take its cue from the new ideas and new technologies that are now emerging from the creative centers of American industry. It will be a community of tomorrow that will never be completed, but will always be introducing and testing and demonstrating new materials and systems. And EPCOT will always be a showcase to the world for the ingenuity and imagination of American free enterprise."
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